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Richard Kettlewell ([personal profile] ewx) wrote2012-10-16 09:48 am
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Hills Road

Contrary to my previous understanding of the planned disruption in at least two ways, Hills Road is now one way southbound to motor traffic from OLEM all the way to Station Road (using the usually-northbound side of the road). There are also barriers placed to create a lane for northbound cycles.

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[personal profile] gerald_duck 2012-10-16 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I just wandered round for a look and things seemed to be flowing better than I'd feared. I need to get from Cherry Hinton Road onto Brooklands Avenue then Fen Causeway of an evening, and that might be OK, provided I don't do anything stupid like trying to make the journey during the rush hour.

One thing I did notice was that the northbound cycle lane is awfully narrow and beset by drain covers. It's way narrower than the 1.5m recommended minimum, and I saw a cyclist with a trailer in real difficulty. I wonder what happens when something too wide tries to get down there; is there some legislated maximum width for bicycles in the UK?
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point about trailers. Personally I'm tempted to route around it while it's in this state even without one.

[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The Road Traffic Act 1988 allows Construction and Use regulations for pedal cycles only in respect of brakes and bells (section 81 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/1988/52/section/81)) and lights and reflectors (section 41(4)(b) (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/1988/52/section/41/4/b)). Only the latter apply to cycle trailers. Thus, while it's illegal to tow a trailer more than 1.5m wide behind a motorcycle, there's no such restriction on trailers drawn by a pedal cycle.
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[personal profile] gerald_duck 2012-10-16 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
So… if there's no maximum width for a bicycle (or cycle rickshaw, or whatever) how do they know how wide the contraflow lane has to be? And what happens if someone gets stuck?

It seems like a foolish omission. A motor vehicle is considered "abnormal" if it's wider than 2.9 metres, so presumably that's the minimum width they have to leave anywhere that doesn't have width limit signs. Shouldn't they have some similar reference point for bikes?

Hmm!

[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.com 2012-10-17 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
I think your presumption in incorrect: there's a general rule that the right to use a highway only extends to vehicles small enough to fit along it, so there's no need for a statutory width or height limit on narrow carriageways (but having one conveniently makes it an offence to exceed the limit).

For street works, there's a rule (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/1991/22/section/66) that undertakers must not obstruct the street "to a greater extent or for a longer period than is reasonably necessary", which suggests the existence of a general right to cause reasonably necessary obstructions. In this case, blocking all motor vehicles is apparently considered reasonable, and I don't think that blocking cycles over some width is likely to be any worse.
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[personal profile] gerald_duck 2012-10-17 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, they can close the road completely in both directions for everyone if they need to. But presumably there is a requirement rather than just a convention that they indicate to road users in some way that they've done this, rather than just letting them fall into the hole they've dug?

Are they realy allowed to announce on signs that the road is still open for cyclicsts, only to trap cyclists in an impassable chicane a hundred yards later?

[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.com 2012-10-17 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
That requirement comes from the previous section (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/1991/22/section/65), which requires that (inter alia) "such traffic signs are placed and maintained, and where necessary operated, as are reasonably required for the guidance or direction of persons using the street". There are also requirements to follow the instructions of the traffic authority and any guidance (http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/street-works-safety/) issued by the government.

In this case, I think the reasonableness requirement is enough -- it's reasonable to let the owners of abnormally-wide (say >1.5m wide) cycles fend for themselves, but if the lane is non-obviously narrow then the undertaker ought to place signs to indicate this.

[identity profile] sphyg.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
It was chaotic this afternoon, but there was a lack of cones and things last night (8pm). I'm assuming the restriction is 24 hour...
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[personal profile] lnr 2012-10-16 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Two ways?

The cycle campaign had been told it would be one-way southbound but that cycles would be allowed through northbound, and I was wondering how that was going to work out!
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Two ways what? You can cycle both ways, northbound in the boxed off little cycle lane and southbound with the motor traffic. Or you could this morning at any rate.
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[personal profile] lnr 2012-10-16 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
In what two ways is it different to your previous understanding?
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
OIC. How far the blockage extended and what direction of traffic would still work.
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[personal profile] lnr 2012-10-16 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, yes, I thought it was coming further South - though I did know which way was blocked. I'm working at home today, will have to see how well it works in practice tomorrow, and if it's too bad I'll come in down Trumpington Rd til it's finished and avoid Hills Rd completely.