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Date: 2004-02-05 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
With a bit of luck maybe they'll all stop 'believing in the BBC', then?

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Date: 2004-02-05 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] armb.livejournal.com
I've sent them a feedback message. Looking at Slashdot, I'm not the only one.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com
taht suks, l3ts h4x0r teh n00bs

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
It represents a new degree of viciousness in internet warfare

Uh, no it doesn't. This technique is not new.

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Date: 2004-02-05 02:09 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Indeed - hence "wakes up to DDOS attacks".

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hsenag.livejournal.com
Well, they're probably right...

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 04:59 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Whatever the facts are, they are really just guessing - as are you.

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Date: 2004-02-05 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hsenag.livejournal.com
Hence my use of the word "probably" and their use of "likely" and "there's no proof"...

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 05:12 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
And the unqualified headline "Linux cyber-battle turns nasty"?

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Date: 2004-02-05 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hsenag.livejournal.com
The headline doesn't actually assign blame, though.

The bit I'm most unhappy with is their implication that all Linux devotees are OSS zealots.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 03:36 am (UTC)
gerald_duck: (frontal)
From: [personal profile] gerald_duck
I have no objection to the BBC condemning the attack on SCO's website. Yes, it's somewhat amusing and yes, they clearly had it coming, but no it wasn't right to do it, and from the perspective of Linux's cause it's an unhelpful PR disaster.

What pisses me off about that article is "If anyone's anger has no measure, it is the wrath of internet zealots who believe that code should be free to all (open source). … SCO is the big, bad company that violates one of their sacred principles, as they would see it." This is a material misrepresentation of the position of most Linux users.

I, for one, don't agree that code should be "free to all (open source)". For starters, "not costing money", "unencumbered with licensing restrictions", and "available as source code" are three very different issues. Furthermore, I don't believe all code should be in any or all of those categories, merely that it's good for there to be code available in those categories, and the code available in those categories tends to be good. Finally, I don't even believe Linux is "free" in the sense of "unencumbered with licensing restrictions"; I prefer the BSD licence.

The "sacred principles" are even simpler:
  • People can release code they write in whatever way they choose.
  • People shouldn't falsely claim ownership of code, in an attempt to gain commercial advantage over the rightful owners.
But, of course, it's tricky to turn those principles into controversial copy.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imc.livejournal.com
ESR did confirm (http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003082501026NWCYLL) that a previous DDOS attack was the work of an experienced Linux hacker.

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Date: 2004-02-05 06:42 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
I see "experienced Internet engineer" in that article, but not "experienced Linux hacker". That article seems short on evidence, too.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imc.livejournal.com
Interpolation on my part. The circumstantial evidence does point to it having been a retribution for SCO's anti-Linux campaign - so if not a Linux hacker then who?

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Date: 2004-02-05 07:21 am (UTC)
sparrowsion: photo of male house sparrow (tree_sparrow)
From: [personal profile] sparrowsion
Someone wanting to cast Linux hackers in a bad light.

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Date: 2004-02-05 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imc.livejournal.com
The evidence seems to indicate that the attacker stopped because ESR published an article asking them to stop (and they then contacted ESR to say so). Why stop if your aim is to cast Linux hackers in a bad light?

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 09:33 am (UTC)
sparrowsion: photo of male house sparrow (tree_sparrow)
From: [personal profile] sparrowsion
Ah, I was not aware of ESR's involvement in this case.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 09:42 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
It says that the attack "will not actually end until the timers on his 'bots run out". So what, if anything, did this person do? If they did nothing, how does ESR know that they were actually the person responsible? The story seems rather short on verifiable facts...

(no subject)

Date: 2004-02-05 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imc.livejournal.com
Presumably the timers on the bots could be restarted if their master wanted to continue the attack.

Anyway, I did say the evidence was circumstantial.

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Date: 2004-02-05 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com
That stopping appears to have convinced you that a Linux hacker was responsible, so it worked. :-)

[Obviously I can say this in response to anything, which just leaves us guessing again... but frankly in ESR's case I suspect the voices in his head made the whole thing up.]

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