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Date: 2007-04-16 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazyjayne.livejournal.com
*wispers*I actually don't like chocolate all that much. Yes I know - I haven't read the female handbook....

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] professoryaffle.livejournal.com
you forgot both,

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:43 am (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
... though my opinion may be influenced by the tendency to value a scarce thing more highly than one would if it were readily available. (There's probably a technical term for that, probably in economics, but right now I CBA to scour Wikipedia to find it.)

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:45 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
I don't believe I did, no.

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
Something about familiarity and contempt?

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hotbadgerdeluxe.livejournal.com
Chocloate, because you can enjoy it when you are alone. Like I am. Sob.

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
Gosh, that one's hard!

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:55 am (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
Possibly, although I think that has the wrong emphasis. I want to say that the value I assign to something is artificially raised from its "true" level by that thing being scarce, whereas "familiarity breeds contempt" seems to be saying that the value one assigns to something is artificially lowered from its true level by that thing not being scarce. The positive correlation between scarcity and perceived value is the same in both cases, but the two statements are nonetheless not quite the same.

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Date: 2007-04-16 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
Yes, you're right. Hmm.

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] songster.livejournal.com
But is it (a) kissable or (b) made of chocolate?

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baljemmett.livejournal.com
Well, for both questions surely the appropriate response is "kiss it and find out!"?

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:16 am (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
I recommend research.

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baljemmett.livejournal.com
Interesting; that was pretty much my rationale for reaching the opposite conclusion!

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] armb.livejournal.com
Is Scarcity value (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarcity_value) different from what you are talking about?

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1ngi.livejournal.com
You rotter. That was really hard.

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] armb.livejournal.com
If I have to give up one for the rest of my life, I'll keep kissing and give up chocolate. One the other hand if [livejournal.com profile] ewx is offering me a choice of one right now, I'll take the chocolate. Though I reserve the right to reconsider if it's out of date Hersheys or something.

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burkesworks.livejournal.com
Kissing with Nutella is rather fun.

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Date: 2007-04-16 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arnhem.livejournal.com
Paging Ben Goldacre (http://www.badscience.net/) ...

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Date: 2007-04-16 12:15 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Also untidy, I should imagine.

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Date: 2007-04-16 12:24 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
Aha, that looks close enough to me. (I was intending it more in a personal emotional sense rather than a mass-market sense, but then it was me who drew the analogy with economics in the first place so I have only myself to blame.)

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Date: 2007-04-16 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dave holland (from livejournal.com)
[ ] I don't have any chocolate :-(

(though my colleague over there <-- does!)

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Date: 2007-04-16 01:52 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
It's probably more convenient to acquire than kisses.

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Date: 2007-04-16 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stephdairy.livejournal.com
You can buy chocolate from shops.

(S)

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Date: 2007-04-16 02:05 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
One can steal kisses.

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Date: 2007-04-16 02:40 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
So? One can steal chocolate!

My baby beside me at the wheel

Date: 2007-04-16 02:57 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Yes, but you get nicked for that...

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:04 pm (UTC)
mair_in_grenderich: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
is it better than sex?

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:10 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
AFAICT stealing a kiss might easily qualify as sexual assault (unless, I suppose, a court determined that the kiss was not of a sexual nature), so you could get nicked for that too, surely?

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:17 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com

According to the chocolate industry, well, their advertising sometimes seems to say so, even if they've not lately produced 'research' saying this.

According to me, no, apart from that chocolate you have is usually better than sex you don't, provided it doesn't contain marzipan or other unpleasant ingredients, you avoid eating so much you make yourself feel sick, etc.

According to anyone else, no idea l-)

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:18 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Depends who you're stealing it from, doesn't it?

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:24 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
Well, it depends who you're stealing the chocolate from too! Shoplift it from Sainsburys and I'm sure the security people will get zero-tolerance on your ass if they catch you, but purloin it from your best mate's chocolate stash and claim afterwards that you hadn't realised it wasn't intended for general consumption, and I reckon in many cases you'd stand a good chance of not being prosecuted for theft.

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-lark-asc.livejournal.com
Both dammit, at once if possible! For true decadence.

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:41 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
It's still a wrong if you steal your friend's chocolate, even if they don't have you prosecuted. But if I follow the song and surprise [livejournal.com profile] naath with a kiss at the turn of a mile then I've not done anything wrong (supposing for the sake that the circumstances don't cause it to be driving without due care and attention).

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:42 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
'supposing for the sake of argument' that is

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:56 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
It hardly qualifies as stealing in any sense but the poetic, though, in that situation. In terms of the Theft Act 1968 (under whose purview it does not of course fall but supposing for the sake of argument etc), it fails on the dishonesty criterion, specifically 2.-(1)(b): you reasonably believe that you would have [livejournal.com profile] naath's consent if she knew about it (in advance).

Also, not everybody is in a position to be able to "steal" a kiss by this definition without wronging somebody.

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Date: 2007-04-16 04:02 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Does anyone ever talk about ‘stealing’ kisses in a non-poetic sense? (Certainly that's the sense I had in mind, I even started throwing in lyrics when it began to look like you might not have realized that.)

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Date: 2007-04-16 04:26 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
I think the last time I can immediately remember seeing the phrase used, it wasn't in quite that poetic a sense, in that it was describing something which, if not actual sexual assault, was at least borderline non-consensual: the kisser was not operating in full confidence of the kissee's retrospective consent, and the kissee was not entirely happy about the act but was merely not quite annoyed enough to make a fuss. That's certainly the sense in which I would normally have expected to see it used.

Also, you originally used the phrase in response to Owen's implicit assertion that chocolate was easier to acquire. In the light of it turning out that you in fact meant one could steal kisses provided one had someone to steal them from who would probably have been willing to give them for free in any case, this suddenly sounds less like an attempt to persuade him of an error in his reasoning and more like being vocally smug that your own reasoning starts from different premises!

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Date: 2007-04-16 04:47 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (i think too much)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
It's impossible to choose. Too much chocolate will make me feel sick; too much kissing will leave me with a chapped mouth. In just the right amounts.... still thinking.

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Date: 2007-04-16 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com
Depends who's asking.

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Date: 2007-04-16 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com
eating so much you make yourself feel sick> that's hardly the chocolate's fault :-)

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Date: 2007-04-16 07:14 pm (UTC)
liv: cartoon of me with long plait, teapot and purple outfit (hands)
From: [personal profile] liv
Dude! Your poll is lacking in both ticky-boxes and insensitive clods. Not good enough!

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Date: 2007-04-16 07:17 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
But it does have both chocolate and kissing.

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Date: 2007-04-16 07:22 pm (UTC)
ext_8103: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
That chocolate statue of Jesus that was in the news a few weeks back.

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Date: 2007-04-16 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gareth-rees.livejournal.com
The study also found that as the chocolate started melting, all regions of the brain received a boost far more intense and longer lasting than the excitement seen with kissing

Just goes to show that proxy variables don't know nothing.

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Date: 2007-04-17 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Dudette! What are you doing addressing people as "dude!"?

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