It needn't be a knife, it could be "any other article [...] which is sharply pointed (http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Legislation&title=criminal+justice+act&Year=1988&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&TYPE=QS&PageNumber=1&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=2116646&ActiveTextDocId=2116825&filesize=5719)", and the minimum age was changed to 18 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/60038--e.htm#43).
De facto I consider it proof of ID, given that it has my name, address, DoB, photo and signature, and is issued by a government agency - and I would be extremely surprised if any old random shop or bar declined to accept it. (After all, it's not as if it bears wording along the lines of "not valid without counterpart".) It also satisfies the wording in my PPL requiring me to carry "a document containing a photo" for the purposes of ID whenever I'm exercising its privileges. (However, I don't carry my PPL around all that much, as it's a slightly-larger-than-A6 plastic wallet. It lives in my flight bag. But it's less hassle just to carry the photocard all the time and forget about it.)
It is, as you say, not a cast-iron proof of entitlement to drive without the counterpart, but that's not a concern. If the Old Bill want to see it I shall exercise my legal right to produce it within seven days at a police station of my choice; if they really want to find out at the roadside they can call in a PNC check. The only time I've ever needed the counterpart has been when hiring vehicles.
Yeah you need the other part for driving licence purposes, but most places consider it acceptable proof of ID on its own. And except for the most formal of indentification the provisional works fine too.
On a related note (but possibly more understandable), Thorntons are apparently banning people under 18 from buying rum and raisin ice cream as it contains 0.7% alcohol which is above the legal minimum of 0.5%.
The fact you'd have to eat nearly a litre and a half of ice-cream to even manage a unit of alcohol is beside the point...
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Date: 2007-07-11 05:48 pm (UTC)I don't.
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Date: 2007-07-11 06:17 pm (UTC)(Besides, I don't have a photographic licence yet.)
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Date: 2007-07-11 06:28 pm (UTC)It is, as you say, not a cast-iron proof of entitlement to drive without the counterpart, but that's not a concern. If the Old Bill want to see it I shall exercise my legal right to produce it within seven days at a police station of my choice; if they really want to find out at the roadside they can call in a PNC check. The only time I've ever needed the counterpart has been when hiring vehicles.
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Date: 2007-07-12 08:14 am (UTC)Have you not moved house since they came in?
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Date: 2007-07-11 06:12 pm (UTC)The fact you'd have to eat nearly a litre and a half of ice-cream to even manage a unit of alcohol is beside the point...
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Date: 2007-07-12 12:56 am (UTC)Ooh, I do like a challenge!
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Date: 2007-07-11 10:22 pm (UTC)Quote of the thread (and sounds much more dodgy in isolation, which is always good...)