I, uh, cloned naath

[ewx]

Yes, I've done this sort of thing before - I wanted to repeat the exercise with my new camera however. The setup is therefore deliberately similar. I tried the software stitching program, rather optimistically, but that resulted in rather surreal results (although being able to fit a 5-person sofa in would be nice) so I fell back on the Gimp, as last time.

The tripod helped - in the last attempt you can see the join if you know where to look eventhough I lined up the images exactly; the camera must have moved. There's a small error in this one too, though for different reasons.

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[mstevens.livejournal.com]

Cool! (both this and the old one, which I'd not seen before)

[daneel-olivaw.livejournal.com]

There's a small error in this one too

The one on the left is a vampire?

[daneel-olivaw.livejournal.com]

Actually, scrub that, it's just very overhead lighting.

[new-brunette.livejournal.com]

*grin*

Good work :)

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

Heh. A friend also did this with his girlfriend (http://laureninghana.blogspot.com/2005/09/twins-ofori-and-pictures_12.html) (and himself, if you follow the 'twins post' link).

[atreic.livejournal.com]

Oh good, now there'll be enough of her to meet demand :)

[cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com]

I think demand would increase to meet supply[1].

[1] First time in the history of the world this phrase has been used to hint at clonesestuous threesomes? :)

[naath.livejournal.com]

There's allready quite enough of me...

[damerell.livejournal.com]

Oh, I don't know.

Atreic and I theorised that you would just glom onto yourselves, reducing the supply, and we'd have to clone you again to get back to where we started.

[keithlard.livejournal.com]

I used the Gimp to stitch together a panorama (http://www.livejournal.com/users/keithlard/136635.html) I made from about 10 separate shots, and it was an experience I'm not keen to repeat...

[crazyscot.livejournal.com]

You really don't want to use naked gimp to do that, there are various tools which semi-automate the process for you. Some of them are even free software.

[cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com]

"You really don't want to use naked gimp to do that"

A phrase true in so many situations it's positively scary. Literally. :)

[ewx.livejournal.com]

LNR laughed at me for saying “bring out the gimp” when starting it up this evening...

[imc.livejournal.com]

I tried pnmstitch once. It didn't even attempt to match the two sides up, and the command line arguments are incomprehensible.

[crazyscot.livejournal.com]

cf http://wry.fotopic.net/p15824820.html and http://wry.fotopic.net/p15824838.html which were made with the Panorama Tools package.

[imc.livejournal.com]

http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ looks promising — maybe I'll get round to trying it before the decade's up…

[ex-lark-asc.livejournal.com]

I have a cunning idea for a clone shot of myself which I might get you to collude in creating at some point, if you're up for it :)

[ewx.livejournal.com]

Yeah, sometime...

[(Anonymous)]

Error - is the light more yellow on one side of the couch, or did something change?

[damerell.livejournal.com]

Oh, you accept anon comments and I'm not logged in. That's me.

[ewx.livejournal.com]

It's not what I was thinking of. The couch is a bit elderly now, I'd have to check manually but I think that that color variation is real. If the color or light changed that much between the shots there's other places I'd expect to see a pretty clear boundary.

[damerell.livejournal.com]

I'm not just looking at the couch; look at Naath's right arm, which is pink in one clone and yellow in the other.

However it seems plausible that the light in the room are arranged such that those areas are differently lit anyway, and she doesn't have very fast-acting jaundice.

[naath.livejournal.com]

The underside of my arm is white/pink, the other side is sorta-maybe-a-bit tanned. That explains a bit of the colour variation I think.

[damerell.livejournal.com]

I don't think so; a bit of your left arm is visible in both shots, much the same way up, and it exhibits the same pattern; so does your face - and although it could just be variation in the couch, with everything else I don't think it is.

Now I am looking carefully there is something a bit odd about the left-hand side of the right-hand Naath's bottom, a sort of wiggly outline. (Viewer's left and right). Also I can't decide if whatever left-hand Naath is reading brings a slab of couch-back with it (or just is that colour), because the edges of the reading matter are a bit off in general.

[naath.livejournal.com]

It was a fairly dark page of book.

[damerell.livejournal.com]

OK. You've still got a wiggly bottom, though.

[naath.livejournal.com]

Maybe that's because the trousers were wiggly?

[damerell.livejournal.com]

It doesn't look real to me, although that may be partially edge effects. Speaking of which, now I have been looking closely, there's a visible discontinuity just around the edge of the upper arm of the lefthand naath and a more visible discontinuity runnig vertically from her knee downwards. Ha, and what's that object over her head extending leftwards from the monitor in the back of the room?

What are we going to call the other one, anyway?

[senji.livejournal.com]

Naathtwo?

[damerell.livejournal.com]

Electric Boogaloo?

[ewx.livejournal.com]

Wigglebottom. Except it's hopelessly twee, and I'd have to hide.

[damerell.livejournal.com]

Hiding everything sharp in Oblivion first could take a while.

[ewx.livejournal.com]

I'm less convinced that the color variation is real now. The lighting ought to be the same: both shots were taken in artificial light only and are corrected against the same white object (the envelope on the table). It's possible that there's color variation within that though l-/

[damerell.livejournal.com]

Not sure what you mean by "real". I'm absolutely certain it's there; I obviously don't know if one end of the room is actually yellower.

[ewx.livejournal.com]

The color difference would be “real” if you could stand where the camera was and see the difference with your eyes. I don't believe that you would see it.

There are two places an non-real difference could have come from. Firstly if the lighting varied between the two shots then different colors would be recorded by the camera. Your brain corrects for this automatically except in extreme cases - a fridge or a bit of paper for instance will look white to you both in daylight and under tungsten lamps in the evening, but the light frequencies reaching your eyes, or a camera, are different in each case.

Cameras attempt to compensate for this, and you can also do compensation in post-processing. But both of these can be imperfect or even go horribly wrong and errors in compensation are a second possible source of discrepancies.

[ceb.livejournal.com]

Do you take reqests? ;-)

[ewx.livejournal.com]

If you like.

[ewx.livejournal.com]

A bit over a year later it occurs to me to wonder what the request was going to be.

[ceb.livejournal.com]

I think something along the lines of 'please clone me so I have enough time to do everything' but I dunno.

[davefish.livejournal.com]

It's always good to keep spares around the place.